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Good to have you back in action, George. Now you know where the term "correspondent" for journalists came from. Keep it up, and soon you'll be able to get media badges, and save admissions when attending conferences. All the best, Ed

Thanks, Ed.

Too much, Rich. I am deleting all that you wrote. Blog on your own blog -- and comment here.

Congratulations due the YDB impact team, who are experiencing the usual process of sci accomplishments: 1. Something major -- extinct megafauna -- cries for explanations. 2. Various theories proposed -- climate, over-hunting fall flat. 3. New evidence crops up -- ethnic lore, isotopes, mass burials, black mat linked to extinction layers. 4. The new theory emerges, is attacked, defended, in the end prevails -- despite the perceived improbability of a late Pleistocene extinction-level impact, doubters are beginning to realize that, “something must have happened.”

Occam's razor prevails, once again. As usual, science let the first "explainers" - The Overkill Gang - to hold the floor without having to defend their suppositions, and be King of the Hill. First to the top gets to make up the rules. Then - STILL being permitted to NOT have to defend their preliminary speculation - the Kings of the Hill are allowed to chirp at something that has ten times the evidence. ...I STILL would like to see the detailed derivation for that overkill silliness - how Clovis man was supposed to have kept up a perfect search-and-rescue type line all across the continent so that no mammoths or saber toothed tigers got past them as they swept the entire area clean. The climate change theory never had anything. Nothing but Chicken Little (Oh, Ed, did I actually say that?...yuk) and the Sky is Always Falling idea. That is ironic, too, because what won WAS "The Sky Is Falling"...LOL Good on ya, Msrs. Kennett, West, et al. And Ms's too. And while I am at it, why not get this one out of my system: The overkill gang is now over the hill - and OFF the hill. The King of the Hill is dead. Long live the king!

Occam's Razor? How do you see that coming up? The ET impact theory has excellent empirical evidence gathered by dozens of people in its favor. It doesn't require recourse to nominalism to be favored. Also, you are evidently bouncing your remarks off of my preceding comment w/o the courtesy of addressing me and w/o reference, plus a nasty tone of voice which in no way reflects my cheerful congratulatory note.

Hermann - You seem to be missing my point. Occam's Razor isn't a "recourse to nominalism." As a principle it wouldn't mean anything at all if in the end it didn't turn out so often to have the evidence behind it. I was saying that once again, the straightforward, simplest explanation that included all the facts proves itself to be the correct one. Give credit to Kennett and West et al for continuing to do the due diligence of solid science. I am reminded of the post here about Daulton claiming the nano-diamonds were not nano-diamonds. The rebuttal about Daulton's people not getting the proper samples seems likely to have been true, since so many other samples have kept weighing the balance in favor of a Y-D impact. Science's conservative side knee-jerked a bit, looking for any holes to poke in the Y-D. It seems that is what Daulton aimed to do, but where was the follow-up, the knockout blow? One discrepant sample is not enough to prove or disprove anything at all. The weight of evidence wins out, and in this case toward the simplest explanation - as we all knew it would. Shall we now finally bury the overkill hypothesis? Next to epicycles? Next to phrenology?

Hello George Yes, the Marshall at al article is very exciting: ... the increase of over 300 % in the iridium enrichment found in southwest England is in agreement with the dates proposed for the iridium enrichment signals previously found in North America and Belgium... Not far from southwest England, the British holocene recent discovery megalithic rock art at the Barclodiad y Gawres Neolithic passage grave in Anglesey, North Wales, UK, where a few kilometers from this megalith there are some aligned elliptical palaeolagoons, scars from meters to some kilometers in size. The rock arts theme from this region and the SANDIA simulations, as well as the prehistoric geometric records on rock can give us a possible description for the cosmic phenomenon, the meteoritic airblasts and its hot CN rich plasma jets. It seems that something happened in that region! http://sites.google.com/site/cosmopier/impact-craters/holocene-palaeolagoons regards pierson

a nice view of the mound -- the right side of this page has more links and a zoomable Google Maps satellite view: Barclodiad y Glawres, Anglesey 53.20722 -4.503599 10 m top 45 m wide http://www.geolocation.ws/v/W/4d7cf54f8786567a400117f2/the-dome-of-the-restored-barclodiad-y/en Title: The dome of the restored Barclodiad y Gawres Neolithic decorated passage grave This grave is closely related to those at Newgrange in the Boyne Valley of Co Meath and indicative of the contact between Anglesey and Ireland as far back as the 3rd millennium BCE. Author: Eric Jones Original size:640X340 Llyn Coron lake 53.203229 -4.427196 9 m el Google Maps Terrain shows many such shallow lakes on this flat 30X40 km island. within mutual service, Rich Murray

Hello George, Since I gradually composed this while searching the Isle of Angelsey to find the small impact craters mentioned by Pierson Barretto, I hope it qualifies as a comment. within mutual service, Rich Murray terminal edge of white dense viscious liquid flow from Bodafon Mountain, Isle of Angelsey, NW Wales, UK: Rich Murray 2011.09.04 * * Isle of Angelsey, NW Wales, UK * * 53.352683 -4.293707 .110 km el, flat land to N is .090 km el, so edge is 20 m high * Is Bodafon Mountain itself an white ejecta splash? * * View from Bodafon Mountain, North Wales By Mike Hays (ground photo shows top white bedrocks) 53.344008 -4.295070 .159 km el, road to E is .115 km el * "Holyhead" Mountain... * http://www.pictures.walesdirectory.co.uk/Bodafon-Mountain-p-449.html view from ground * View from the trig point at the summit of Mynydd Bodafon By PaulXLE * View South of Bodafon By AngharadPixy * Bodafon's ass By AngharadPixy * Mynydd Bodafon By xenostral (view down to lake to SW) * Snowdonia from Mynydd Bodafon By M Art * * long pond .125 km long 53.326345 -4.307643 .089 km el * * pond .15 km long oval 53.305636 -4.264172 .078 km el * white rock quarry nearby to SW

Hello Rich The different directions of that ellipticals ponds may indicate they were formed at different local time, a half day at least, at dawn and dusk, if they originate from the same meteorite event. It's true and some scars are not very evident. But see some photos of the landscape seem to have a high ledge(?). http://maps.google.com.br/maps?ll=53.225897,-4.462509&spn=0.01616,0.038409&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=6&iwloc=lyrftr:com.panoramio.all,17260448255716135627,53.219885,-4.462123&lci=com.panoramio.all Is it possible to find impactites, or changes in the level of iridium in the region? regards pierson

Hello to all It is worth to visiting the site in England and meet from the survivors some possible records of the prehistoric meteoritic event. http://www.rock-art-in-wales.co.uk/top/database.html Prints like these are common in many parts of the world, with artistic representations similar zizag and wave lines, Lozangs, concentric circles ... indicating movement, explosions ... elliptcal lagoons are also common ... regards pierson